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Racism

A 2008 off-topic thread that spirals into one of the forum's ugliest, most cringe-inducing arguments about race.

This thread in the Rants and Raves subforum started as a general rant topic and devolved into members trading racially charged jokes, slurs, and generalizations under the guise of 'ranting not flaming.' Several posters shared personal anecdotes framed as complaints about other races, while at least one member pushed back, calling out the double standards and mocking the more inflammatory posters. The thread is a stark, unfiltered artifact of the era's edgy forum culture, where racism was often waved off as 'just ranting.' No major drama with staff intervention is evident in this excerpt, just a heated back-and-forth among regular members.

they don't call each other 'niggers'. they calls each other 'niggas'. there is a difference.— Shifty
How is the south this time of year? still living in the 19th century?— Scratch
I'm glad I'm White but we also get shit all in the world— MONST3R
RecoileZMONST3RShiftyScratchwirmware
off-topicrants and ravesracismdrama2008forum culture

FkN BT Internets! (2007 UK broadband rant)

A guy paid 4x his bill for internet that resets itself daily — cue the pile-on and eventual gravedigging.

A December 2007 rant thread where member Famousss vents about British Telecom (BT) broadband — a flaky 'home hub,' throttled speeds, and a bill way higher than quoted. It spirals into a casual UK ISP comparison (BT vs Virgin vs Be), a harsh 'kill yourself' joke that got deflected with laughs rather than a real fight, and fizzles out with off-topic jabs before a mod closes it a month later for being gravedigged.

DONT GO FOR BT WHEN U WANT INTERNETS— Famousss
You just fail at life. Suicide is the only option.— acv1released
LOLINMYHEAD— Famousss
Famousssacv1releasedtwitceholie22miLLermr.N0Nam3
off-topicisp-rantuk-broadbandbtrants-and-raves2007

MOTHER FUCKER (Rants and Raves thread)

A pointless 3-month-old rant thread that just wouldn't die — and everyone kept asking what it was even about.

This is the tail end of a long-running Rants and Raves thread literally titled 'MOTHER FUCKER,' by page five mostly reduced to confused newcomers wandering in asking what the original post even said (since it had been hidden or edited out). A Supervisor shows up to scold members for bumping a stale, low-value thread, while a 1000 Club veteran jokes about paying for membership just to see hidden content. It's a good snapshot of forum culture at the time: hidden/locked posts gated behind post-count clubs, staff policing 'rants not flames,' and a thread surviving purely on curiosity and inertia.

Wow, would you idiots stop spamming useless shit in a 3 month old thread please.— HaSh
donate for 1k club and ull never see a hiden item again.. unless it runs out and u dont want to renew it— pyeman
wanna see what this is— kikker
HaShpyemanIndustrykikkerTobinoobboyy
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School (Rants and Raves, Jan 2008)

A teenager's caps-lock meltdown over school internet filters turns into a comparing-notes session on getting around campus web blocks — including the fact that Fkn0wned itself got banned at some schools.

Member hunterbrute224 opens with an all-caps rant about hating school, blocked websites, and boring teachers, venting general teenage frustration. The thread quickly turns into other members swapping stories about how their own schools or countries blocked proxy sites and even Fkn0wned itself, with a few casual mentions of workarounds. It devolves into some light back-and-forth about locations (Michigan, Australia, Ireland) and a shared sense of solidarity against school IT restrictions, capped off by hunterbrute224 giving a rundown of the many Michigan towns he'd lived in.

I HATE IT SO MUCH WEBSITES ARE BLOCKED, MOST TEACHERS SUCK, BORING, RETARDED PEOPLE— hunterbrute224
The internet shouldnt be blocked >:( ... AND THEY BLOCKED FKN0WNED AT SCHOOL— hunterbrute224
fuck school work fight more =]— jcomp6
hunterbrute224wirmwareAnexxionGoodapolloExoduscedars
off-topicrantschoolinternet-filtersproxies2008

My Fucking Luck

An iTouch takes a swim, warranty schemes get hatched, and half the forum confesses to drowning their phones too

This late-page stretch of a long-running rant thread follows Laptops' saga of a water-damaged iPod Touch and his plan to bluff Apple into a free replacement under warranty. The thread devolves into a communal confessional of phone and gadget mishaps — dropped phones in beer, puddles, and skate ramps — with members trading sympathy, skepticism, and 'good luck with that' energy. It's a classic off-topic rants thread: low stakes, high camaraderie, and everyone just enjoying a shared laugh at each other's bad luck with electronics.

1 year free warranty, but i also bought a xtra 2 year... im gona phone apple up on tuesday, and tell em a load of BS and THEY are going to fall for it!!!!— laptops
It was the Evil TeddyBear i tell you, the Evil TeddyBear— laptops
yeah I dropped my phone in a glass of beer no idea how.— Teddybearhair
laptopsTeddybearhairAcidViperSidewaysscuddzillaDon Ruski
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Rants and Raves (Off-Topic board index, late 2007)

Where fkn0wned's regulars went to scream into the void about Valve, ISPs, and 12-year-olds ruining CS servers

This is a board-index snapshot of the 'Rants and Raves' subforum under Off-Topic, capturing a busy stretch of late December 2007 to early January 2008. Members vented about everything from Valve's game updates and 'gay ping kickers' on European servers to school, MSN viruses, animal cruelty, Japanophiles, and a suicide bombers poll. The board's own rule set the tone: rant about things, not people — no personal flames allowed. It's a solid time capsule of mid-2000s forum culture, complete with staff ranks like [1K], [Supervisor], [Co-Manager], and [Uploader] tags next to names.

This forum is for ranting and raving not flaming!
fuck the world— [Co-Manager] DCLXVI
cmesh error, you make me want to kill everyone at valve! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!— [1K] |-noodle-|
[Co-Manager] Shifty[Manager] tKeR[CEO] TuxifieD[Supervisor] mr.N0Nam3[1K] olie22[Co-Manager] DCLXVI
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School + The Internet, = FAIL

A staffer rages that his own school blocked Fkn0wned itself — chaos ensues over proxies, RCON access, and admins who fixed everything

A 2007 rant thread where staff member hunterbrute224 vents (in all-caps, with some ugly slurs) that his school blocked the Fkn0wned forums, demanding an unrestricted internet. Other members shrug it off, pointing out the site's own tutorial section was full of school-bypass guides, while a couple of posters brag about having RCON/admin access on school computers and one describes a particularly locked-down school network. It's a classic mid-2000s teenage-forum gripe thread — equal parts entitlement, bravado, and dark humor about IT admins winning the arms race.

SO NOW I HAVE TO USE EXTERNAL PROXIES AND SHIT >:( I HATE SCHOOLS, I WANT TEH INTERNETZ TO BE UNLOCKED AND OPENED >:(— hunterbrute224
Today I was signed into the main account on the computers. It had rcon and control xp. I could've fucked them up so bad.— Rebelz
Our Admin is a real harsh mofo! He has fixed every known exploit on the website and he has blocked every proxy I know!— nightshadefc
hunterbrute224banakballisticRebelznightshadefcRiley
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English Botten Anna

A guy rage-quits over a meme song everyone's suddenly "discovering" three years late

A minor Rants and Raves vent thread from Fkn0wned.com's Off-Topic section, sparked by member Shifty complaining about people on MSN suddenly obsessing over a viral song ('Botten Anna') he claims he'd already heard years earlier. The thread quickly derails into other users chiming in with jokes, a Gunther music video link, and someone asking for the English version of the song out of laziness. Low-stakes, casual banter typical of the forum's off-topic culture rather than any real drama.

OMFG. I'm sick of everybody bumming this god damn song... I HEARD IT YEARS AGO GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PFFT— Shifty
it makes my ears bleed— that 1 dude
the onli thing i like is the babes.. can some1 post here the english version of botten anna.. i am lazy to search it.. thanx— home
Shiftythat 1 dudehomelesshobohome-Shikari-
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Sports cars with automatic transmissions

A guy rages that sports car owners who can't drive stick are basically faking it — cue the pushback.

A classic Rants and Raves off-topic thread where Jack Daniels vents that people who buy sports cars with automatic transmissions are posers who can't 'drive it properly' and can't upgrade performance parts. hunterbrute224 pushes back defending automatics (and admitting he can't drive stick), while others shrug it off as a matter of personal preference. Small, low-stakes car debate typical of the forum's casual off-topic ranting culture.

Why in the fuck do people buy a sports car with an automatic transmission... God damn if your going to buy a nice car at least learn how to drive it properly.— Jack Daniels
I want a corvette, I hate stick shift, so Im gonna go with automatic transition. Care to yell and call me a retard?— hunterbrute224
Urh people do what they want, what they like. Nothing you can do.— Exodus
Jack Danielshunterbrute224ExodusoinkypigProf_Oak
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"fuck this faggot emo band" — MySpace beef thread

A 2007 rant about a local emo band spirals into instant staff shutdown and mockery.

A member vents about an emo band from his hometown, disliked by him but apparently loved by his 'emo friends,' and asks if anyone can spam or hack the band's MySpace page. Staff shot the request down almost immediately, and other members piled on with teasing rather than support, suggesting the OP secretly liked the band. Short, quintessential mid-2000s Rants and Raves thread — petty, dramatic, and going nowhere.

they suck and their emo. they live in my town and all my emo friends are like "OmFg y0 nearest the positive" i say sftu and listen to cannibal corpse— c0rpsegrinder
Erm, no.— Don Ruski
You jealous or something?— havok123
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Someone Sort 'Jube' Out

A member accuses a self-styled 'coder' of dumping a trojan-laced hack on the forum and demands a ban — chaos follows.

In this Rants and Raves thread, member nightshadefc calls out a user named 'Jube' for releasing 'Jube Hack V1.0/V1.1', a CS:S cheat allegedly flagged by antivirus software as containing multiple trojans. The OP demands Jube be banned and his threads purged so newer members don't download the infected files. Jube shows up to dismiss the antivirus flags as false positives and cryptically notes the admins/mods had abandoned the forum with no report button left, while other members pile on calling him a scammer whose uploads never worked.

If you haven't noticed, the admins and moderators have ditched us. There isn't even a report button anymore. No one can hear you scream.— Jube
Jube is a fucking scamming piece of trash. Notice how none of the shit he's uploaded actually works.— method3909
DO NOT OPEN THIS HACK! IT CREATES MULTIPLE TROJANS AND VIRUS' IN YOUR WINDOWS FOLDER AND ALSO YOUR SYSTEM32 FOLDER.— nightshadefc
nightshadefcJubemethod3909
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Some One at Apple Should Go Die

A classic mid-2000s Mac-vs-PC pile-on: three pages of Fkn0wned members roasting Apple for existing

A Rants and Raves thread where forum members vented pure hatred for Apple, mocking iTunes bloatware on Windows, Apple's advertising-over-substance reputation, and Mac users in general. By page three the thread devolves into classic tech-forum tribalism, with posters rallying behind Linux and Windows as the 'real' computer user's choice. It's a snapshot of that era's console-war-style brand loyalty, just aimed at operating systems instead of games.

Yeah one day someone will learn how to make a computer without making it a total fuck-up oh wait they already have... HAIL LINUX— AlbinoBoi
anyone who knows anything about comps are windows/lunux users, macs are for pussies and stay at home moms— TROJAN_COW
The only thing apple is good at is making mp3 players, and even then only sometimes— valucard
AlbinoBoiTROJAN_COWvalucardMONST3R
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Heath Ledger

A dead actor, a callous OP, and a forum split down the middle over whether it's ever okay to clown on the newly deceased.

A January 2008 Rants and Raves thread reacting to the real-world death of actor Heath Ledger. The OP, Scratch, dismissed the public mourning and called Ledger a 'junky' who OD'd, sparking pushback from other members who found the take mean-spirited and pointless rather than edgy. A small back-and-forth followed with mixed opinions, some agreeing it was his own fault, others just annoyed at the tone.

Can people stop feeling sorry for this guy... his weren't THAT incredible he still is a junky and like all junkies he OD'd like an idiot.— Scratch
I just don't like people thinking their cool on the internet slagging off a dead guy.— Shifty
Its his own fault. I don't feel sry for him at all. Fkn idiot— Jack Daniels
ScratchShiftyJack DanielsDarkcha0s
rants and ravesoff-topiccelebrity deathcontroversial opinionforum drama2008

Fucking Drama Whores

A 2008 teenage meltdown about school drama, weeaboos, and a math teacher — pure Rants and Raves gold.

A rant thread in the Off-Topic > Rants and Raves section where user ri0t unloads a stream-of-consciousness venting session about high school drama: girls who 'whore themselves out' emotionally, an anime-obsessed clique who yelled at him in Japanese for dissing Inuyasha, a friend mad over a crush situation, and a grade dropped due to a missed calculus test. The rant spirals outward into broader anger at news stories and politics before he signs off. It's a classic example of the forum's designated 'vent your anger, don't flame people' rant space being used exactly as intended, with all the chaotic, ALL-CAPS energy of a 2008 teenager online.

OMFG WTF IS WITH THESE GOD DAMNED DRAMA WHORES!!!!!!— ri0t
Got the wappanese club up my ass cause i dissed "Inuyasha" and made fun of the fact they want to be asian, and they fucking yell at me in japanese!!!— ri0t
Now I am done. Thankyou for your time.— ri0t
ri0tProf_Oak
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Knife fight? - the eternal BF2 knifing rant

One man's sacred honor code: if I pull a knife on you, you fight me with a knife.

A 2008 Rants and Raves thread where user sanjuro3456 vents about Battlefield 2 players who refuse to 'honor' a knife duel and instead shoot him with a pistol or UAV-spot him mid-charge. The rant escalates into a colorful list of insults for anyone who dares defend themselves with a gun instead of a blade. A couple of replies chime in sympathetically, including a tangent about machete-killing a sniper convoy in Battlefield Vietnam.

Nobody in BF2 knifes in NON-PnK servers.— sanjuro3456
I fucking go wild. I scream out loud and i type it too.— sanjuro3456
Yeah, I also hate when some idiot doesn't agree to a knife fight. :\— fishyfish777
sanjuro3456fishyfish777Anexxion
battlefield-2off-topicrantgaming-etiquetteknife-fighting2008

What Has The World Come To?

A CSS bot-catfish prank goes hilariously, uncomfortably wrong — posted for the whole forum to see.

aesir09 posted a copy-pasted in-game chat log from Counter-Strike: Source where he role-played as 'eXtAcY,' baiting a bot/player named {BOT}_EASY-MODE with a fake flirty persona before dropping the twist reveal. The thread lives in the Rants and Raves section, though it's really just a 'must see' greentext-style prank log rather than an actual rant. Don Ruski, a well-known banned FkN Godfather-ranked member, chimes in with dry one-liners riffing on the log getting the OP's MySpace hacked as retaliation.

im a 16 year old male, living in pennslyvania— eXtAcY (aesir09)
and now im copy and pasting this whole conversation and its going to be all over the net— eXtAcY (aesir09)
Somebody on this forum is so going to hack your MySpace.— Don Ruski
aesir09Don Ruski
counter-strike-sourcerants-and-ravesprank-logchat-logforum-dramaoff-topic

Fuck Winter! - Cold Weather Complaint Thread

Canadians freeze at -45C while Australians whine about 14C — the eternal winter beef, archived forever.

A casual rant thread in the Rants and Raves section where members griped about winter weather in their respective countries. Canadian members complained about brutal prairie windchill hitting -45C, while a member from Colorado lamented the long drive to the nearest mountain for snowboarding. Members from Australia chimed in with the opposite complaint, noting their 'winter' barely dips below 14C and Brisbane never sees snow at all. A lighthearted, low-stakes thread showing the global mix of the Fkn0wned member base.

Yup, I had a test at school today... It was a nice -45C with windchill aka like -22F.....cold as FUCK.— MONST3R
Winter in Australia is like the bottom end of Summer... we don't ever get snow...EVER!— Insatiable.
MONST3RProf_OakInsatiable..SmurfHaSh
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WAAA wannabe staff-kiddies

A rant about staff applicants trying too hard turns into an actual coder recruitment moment.

This was a Rants and Raves thread griping about wannabe staff members on the forum, but by page 2 it had shifted into a more constructive exchange: a Smod (Panda) publicly praised a member's coder application, calling it one of the best submissions and effectively endorsing them for the Fkn Coder team pending review by other staff. The applicant then reminisced about their basic VB6 programming background, picked up from tinkering with tick-based text strategy games like Star Kingdoms. It's a small snapshot of how staff recruitment and community drama intertwined on the site.

Seeing your application, it is easily the best for Coder if not just about the best application full stop...— Panda
I used to play text based online strategy games, tick based ones like Star Kingdoms, and making little applications in VB was handy for simulating various strategies and so on.
PandairishashTickingTimeiydsicydttKer
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EBAY RAGE!

Snipe-bid vinyl decks steal drives forum staffer to violence against a work bin

Staff member miLLer vents about being outbid on a secondhand decks/vinyl package on eBay in the last 20 seconds by another bidder, leading to a small destructive tantrum at his workplace. The thread is a classic Rants and Raves outlet where members commiserate and offer eBay sniping advice, with one reply veering into a casually racist remark about the winning bidder. Low-stakes, everyday forum drama typical of the section's 'rant about things, not people' rule.

this asian went and bought it only paying 1 more ... what a fucking nob'end i raged big time and booted the bin at my work into the door destroying the bin— miLLer
when you want something really bad you need to stay on top of it. dont bid early wait till right before like he did.— Jack Daniels
miLLerJack DanielspyemanShifty
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Stephen Colbert - Don't fancy him too much

A 2007 rant about The Colbert Report devolves into a Jon Stewart vs. Colbert feud that got necro'd a year later

In this Rants and Raves thread from August 2007, member Marc347 kicks off a rant slamming Stephen Colbert as a shallow rip-off of Jon Stewart, arguing Colbert's humor relies on humiliating guests rather than genuine wit. The thread ran to at least three pages before staff closed it in January 2008 for being 'gravedigged' (revived long after it went cold), a common fate for old off-topic rants on the board.

I don't like Stephen Colbert. He makes me sick.— Marc347
He is a rip-off of Jon Stuart, who actually knows how to tell a few jokes.— Marc347
Marc347Sammomr.N0Nam3
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The gunsforhire.org.uk Callout Thread

A CoD2 member got booted from his own clan's site and came back swinging — then someone bragged about DDoSing it 'for the lulz'

A short but spicy Rants and Raves thread where a member calling himself LastOneStanding vented about being kicked from a clan (tied to the site gunsforhire.org.uk) he claims he helped set up, accusing the leader and members of betrayal and general incompetence at CoD4. The rant escalated quickly when another member, Firerain, casually admitted to DDoSing the site for half an hour 'for the lulz' and invited others to pile on. It's a tiny snapshot of the petty clan drama and casual toxicity that defined a lot of early cheat-scene forum culture — beef aired in public, retaliation offered up like a group activity.

Steal all my members, call me a hacker then decide to delete me. I wanna fuck em hard!— LastOneStanding
I DDoS'd them for like 30 minutes for the lulz. It didn't do much except slow the site down a bit. Anyone else wanna take a shot?— Firerain
LastOneStandingFirerain
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VAC Ban Rant: 'FUCK YOU VALVE'

A guy lets his little brother borrow his account for one day — and Valve nukes his six-digit Steam legacy.

A long-time member with an old, low-numbered Steam account vents after getting VAC banned because his younger brother downloaded cheats while borrowing the account. He laments the lost value and status of his 'six-digit' Steam ID, worries his CAL team will now think he hacks, and has to fall back on a lesser seven-digit account for an upcoming match. It's a classic Rants and Raves thread capturing the era's obsession with early Steam account prestige and the ever-present threat of VAC bans.

VAC, FUCK YOU VALVE— TheLoneMan
MY UNSPEAKABLY VALUABLE 6 DIGIT STEAM ACCOUNT IS FUCKING BANNED.— TheLoneMan
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FPS Banana, Dumbshits

One member's skin uploads got nuked by FPSBanana moderators, and the forum did not take it well.

A short rant thread in the Rants and Raves section where user hunterbrute224 complains that FPSBanana rejected several of his uploaded skins, including Fkn0wned-branded ones, flagging them as suspicious. He frames it as evidence that FPSBanana's moderators had it out for the Fkn0wned community specifically. Bucketface chimes in early, though the visible exchange cuts off before much back-and-forth develops. It's a small, petty inter-community grievance typical of early skin/mod-sharing site rivalries.

Bunch of cockbags if you ask me.— hunterbrute224
They really hate us over there— hunterbrute224
hunterbrute224Bucketface
fpsbananarantskinsmoderationcommunity-rivalryoff-topic

Why Do Fucking Emo Fucking Faggots Do This Shit

A YouTube link, some Tourette's mockery, and a Scotsman ready to fight a guy over his hair — 2008 Off-Topic in a nutshell.

A Rants and Raves thread started by member Christobell, who posted a YouTube video mocking someone's medical condition and went off about it in classic early-2008 forum style. The reply from Industry suggests the thread got at least one response before trailing off. It's a snapshot of the era's unfiltered, slur-heavy 'rant' culture that the Rants forum explicitly tried to channel ('rant about something, not someone') — with mixed success.

What the fuck is funny about this disorder? It's a real fucking problem...— Christobell
ChristobellIndustry
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Mexicans

A poll about shooting Mexicans devolves into exactly the kind of thread you'd expect from 2008 internet.

A 'Rants and Raves' thread on the Off-Topic board built around a crude poll ('Glock or AK... or Mexican to Shoot toby') that mixes racial jokes with tasteless humor typical of unmoderated mid-2000s gaming forums. Posts from banned members like |-noodle-| escalate the joke with dark, dismissive commentary about hiring undocumented immigrants. The thread is a stark example of the kind of edgy, offensive 'shitposting' culture that the Rants and Raves subforum tolerated under its thin 'rant not flame' rule.

if you are in central or southern cali you can just hire some mexicans to shoot themselves.— |-noodle-|
|-noodle-|sanjuro3456
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Parents

A short, half-forgotten vent thread about dealing with parents — the kind of small rant that filled Rants and Raves back in the day.

This was a brief Rants and Raves thread on the second page of an older discussion where members griped about their parents, in keeping with the section's rule of venting about situations rather than flaming other users. Only a couple of posts survive in this fragment, from users typeusernamehere and Industry, both since banned. It's a low-key, everyday slice of forum life rather than a major event — the kind of ordinary teenage-rant thread that made up the bulk of the Off-Topic boards.

that blows— typeusernamehere
typeusernamehereIndustry
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fucker

Shifty loses his engraved gold bracelet at the gym and needs to vent about it

A short rant thread in the Rants and Raves subforum where longtime member Shifty recounts accidentally leaving his gold bracelet (engraved with his name, worth about £250 total) in a gym running machine and being unable to recover it. The post is a classic 'rules-compliant' rant per the forum's own guidelines — anger at a situation, not at a person. Only the opening reply from Bucketface appears before the excerpt cuts off.

it's a sweet piece of jewellery and i fuckin loved it. I'm pissed off now.— Shifty
ShiftyBucketface
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CHRIS CROCKER V2

A random YouTube link and a slur kick off one of Rants and Raves' more forgettable pile-ons.

A short-lived rant thread in the Rants and Raves subforum, posted by longtime member Shifty, linking a YouTube video referencing the infamous 'Chris Crocker' internet meme moment. The opening post is blunt and hostile in the way old-school flame threads often were, with a quick reply from another regular, Industry. The thread appears to trail off quickly, typical of the low-effort rant threads this section was known for.

ShiftyIndustry
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